Comments on: VA: Training Children Part 2: Effective Negative Reinforcement http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/ violentacres.com feedback site Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:36:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Beth http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10136 Beth Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:16:29 +0000 http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10136 Can I just say from the viewpoint of a 'layman', or in other words a normal person who's never done any psychology classes, VA's way of putting things in that article made much more sense than what you guys just said. :) Can I just say from the viewpoint of a ‘layman’, or in other words a normal person who’s never done any psychology classes, VA’s way of putting things in that article made much more sense than what you guys just said. :)

]]> By: MJ http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10106 MJ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:05:11 +0000 http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10106 Maybe I'm the only one but I loved this post. Now if she could just do a follow up with more specifics on how to train my husband. The kid I've got down - I've had her from day 1. How do I undo 25 years of bad mothering that fucked up my husband? Maybe I’m the only one but I loved this post. Now if she could just do a follow up with more specifics on how to train my husband.

The kid I’ve got down - I’ve had her from day 1. How do I undo 25 years of bad mothering that fucked up my husband?

]]> By: Kate http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10097 Kate Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:45:19 +0000 http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10097 It's intellectually lazy to use well-defined terms incorrectly. Even if you are writing for a general audience, you shouldn't write stuff that is just plain wrong. Wikipedia knows the correct definitions of punishment and negative reinforcement. This isn't rocket science, it's Psych 101. It’s intellectually lazy to use well-defined terms incorrectly. Even if you are writing for a general audience, you shouldn’t write stuff that is just plain wrong. Wikipedia knows the correct definitions of punishment and negative reinforcement. This isn’t rocket science, it’s Psych 101.

]]> By: Xin http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10077 Xin Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:16:20 +0000 http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10077 "Also, I’m just trying to write a short Internet guide on this crap. Not a fucking book." Hmm, seems like a book to me. Meh! This stuff is boring, and frankly... I find VA lacking in any real advice to offer, due to her erratic and flippant behavior towards others. Get a child VA, and play your mind games with it, so you feel better about your fucking existence. Maybe it's me, or perhaps there's something in her writings that touches me, but nonetheless VA is beginning to bore me lately. “Also, I’m just trying to write a short Internet guide on this crap. Not a fucking book.”

Hmm, seems like a book to me. Meh! This stuff is boring, and frankly… I find VA lacking in any real advice to offer, due to her erratic and flippant behavior towards others.

Get a child VA, and play your mind games with it, so you feel better about your fucking existence. Maybe it’s me, or perhaps there’s something in her writings that touches me, but nonetheless VA is beginning to bore me lately.

]]> By: Robmarie http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10055 Robmarie Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:40:16 +0000 http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10055 Actually, it takes a lot less than 60 days to create a new habit; it only takes 21. ;) Actually, it takes a lot less than 60 days to create a new habit; it only takes 21. ;)

]]> By: Simmy http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10053 Simmy Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:18:55 +0000 http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10053 V, would you please stop messing around and post the photo you promised? Tx alotz ;) V, would you please stop messing around and post the photo you promised?

Tx alotz ;)

]]> By: Sami http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10051 Sami Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:16:57 +0000 http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10051 As a person who talks a lot of bs, I have my own speculations of these two posts. (Takes one to know one, kinda thingie...) I agree with Sean that while she may had some mix-ups in terminology, she had quite valid points here and there. With the candy-bar for 60 days thing my first thought was "What about Pavlov?" but I have to admit, I do not know psychology enough to say for sure will that kind of rewarding be counter-productive in a sense of conditioning. Does that kind of conditioning stick? Like the sub-conscious extending of a hand to shake someone else's extended hand. But anyways, to my guesses: My grand speculation is that she has thought about these things, but lacks the education in psychology (like me) and perhaps now either a) read one book about it and it opened her eyes realizing that she can now verbalize her thoughts or b) just started to write her thoughts and checked the correct (or at least close to correct) terms in Wikipedia (like me). Wiki is a great starting point and a quick double-checking database, but not an actual study archive. Great for double-checking terminology, dates, years and such. Bad for in-depth studies, especially in anything even remotely related to psychology or politics. And my guess B would also explain the way the "extinction" part was written as well... I'm sure Derren Brown (Option C: TV) is not involved in this train of thoughts, but of course I can't be sure. Oh, I'm waiting excitingly for a post after she reads a book about NLP or parapsychology. Ugh, Nostrasami has spoken. As a person who talks a lot of bs, I have my own speculations of these two posts. (Takes one to know one, kinda thingie…)

I agree with Sean that while she may had some mix-ups in terminology, she had quite valid points here and there.

With the candy-bar for 60 days thing my first thought was “What about Pavlov?” but I have to admit, I do not know psychology enough to say for sure will that kind of rewarding be counter-productive in a sense of conditioning. Does that kind of conditioning stick? Like the sub-conscious extending of a hand to shake someone else’s extended hand. But anyways, to my guesses:

My grand speculation is that she has thought about these things, but lacks the education in psychology (like me) and perhaps now either a) read one book about it and it opened her eyes realizing that she can now verbalize her thoughts or b) just started to write her thoughts and checked the correct (or at least close to correct) terms in Wikipedia (like me). Wiki is a great starting point and a quick double-checking database, but not an actual study archive. Great for double-checking terminology, dates, years and such. Bad for in-depth studies, especially in anything even remotely related to psychology or politics. And my guess B would also explain the way the “extinction” part was written as well…

I’m sure Derren Brown (Option C: TV) is not involved in this train of thoughts, but of course I can’t be sure.

Oh, I’m waiting excitingly for a post after she reads a book about NLP or parapsychology.

Ugh,

Nostrasami has spoken.

]]> By: Sean http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10050 Sean Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:50:27 +0000 http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10050 I already provided the "psychology lesson" with the last post. V addressed in this one, and while I'm sure it bears reminding, if she wants to continue on with the common terminology screwups for the sake of the clarity of her message to laymen, I really don't have that much of a problem. Sure, it irks me, just like when people fuck up antisocial and unsocial, but if you flip out every time it happens, you'll just be wasting your time. Even with the errors in terminology, her two posts have some useful info (again, up to individuals how they want to apply that info.) And that's gotta count for something... Right? I already provided the “psychology lesson” with the last post. V addressed in this one, and while I’m sure it bears reminding, if she wants to continue on with the common terminology screwups for the sake of the clarity of her message to laymen, I really don’t have that much of a problem. Sure, it irks me, just like when people fuck up antisocial and unsocial, but if you flip out every time it happens, you’ll just be wasting your time.

Even with the errors in terminology, her two posts have some useful info (again, up to individuals how they want to apply that info.) And that’s gotta count for something…

Right?

]]> By: emerild http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10047 emerild Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:54:59 +0000 http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10047 Here is a positive reinforcement for you... FUCK YOU! Here is a positive reinforcement for you…

FUCK YOU!

]]> By: Myroid http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10046 Myroid Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:24:59 +0000 http://www.violentacrestalk.com/va-training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement/#comment-10046 Even if she uses them as "layman's terms"... http://www.myroidtypecomics.com/otherpics/reinforce.jpg Even if she uses them as “layman’s terms”…

http://www.myroidtypecomics.com/otherpics/reinforce.jpg

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