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	<title>Comments on: VA: College Will Kill Your Entrepreneurial Spirit While Simultaneously Turning You into a Worker Bee</title>
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		<title>By: Kzn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kzn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all of you who do oppose to this article, are you rich? Do you belong to at least the 20% wealthiest people in the world or striving for it? Have you ever owned a business? If not, I don't expect you to understand what V is trying to communicate to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all of you who do oppose to this article, are you rich? Do you belong to at least the 20% wealthiest people in the world or striving for it? Have you ever owned a business? If not, I don&#8217;t expect you to understand what V is trying to communicate to you.</p>
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		<title>By: olb</title>
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		<dc:creator>olb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>School's made to kill one's spirit in general, not just the your entrepreneurial spirit.  I think it was a recent-ish thing that school was actually started being seen as opening up one's mind and not training.   That's why corporations donate money to schools, to have better workers.  That's why the public school system exists today, because people wanted better educated workers.   (Think of it as bootcamp for civilians)

However, college/universities aren't so much as about being a school, as to about making connections and giving people an avenue of resources.  Whether or not people realize that and take advantage of that is another story.  That's also the difference between a Community College and an Ivy League school, not the information, but the connections to resource they gain.  (Resources being other people, or actual equipment/resources)

It gives people a forum to meet, and possibly give them a wider view of the world, without having to search for one.  Sure, going to bars/cafes/other social places would give you a forum too, but chances are it will be hit and miss.

Geez, I hole up for Finals, and miss a good discussion=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>School&#8217;s made to kill one&#8217;s spirit in general, not just the your entrepreneurial spirit.  I think it was a recent-ish thing that school was actually started being seen as opening up one&#8217;s mind and not training.   That&#8217;s why corporations donate money to schools, to have better workers.  That&#8217;s why the public school system exists today, because people wanted better educated workers.   (Think of it as bootcamp for civilians)</p>
<p>However, college/universities aren&#8217;t so much as about being a school, as to about making connections and giving people an avenue of resources.  Whether or not people realize that and take advantage of that is another story.  That&#8217;s also the difference between a Community College and an Ivy League school, not the information, but the connections to resource they gain.  (Resources being other people, or actual equipment/resources)</p>
<p>It gives people a forum to meet, and possibly give them a wider view of the world, without having to search for one.  Sure, going to bars/cafes/other social places would give you a forum too, but chances are it will be hit and miss.</p>
<p>Geez, I hole up for Finals, and miss a good discussion=)</p>
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		<title>By: lostlogicx</title>
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		<dc:creator>lostlogicx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonah:  I don't disagree with your statement that '18-year-olds are young, inexperienced and still "kids"'.  I disagree with the society which makes them so.  I think that as a society we have a strong tendency to prevent children from learning any kind of responsibility until they are forced to as they leave college.  I don't know why we do this, but we do.

By the time me or my siblings left home at ages 17-18 we were each capable of supporting ourselves.  We also each pursued further education which our families helped to fund, so I'm not saying that parents should not support their children.  I'm simply saying that we need not infantilize people and that I believe it to be perfectly reasonable to expect 18 year olds to be able to support themselves.

You say that at 18 you were "not ready to work [your] ass off at some job."  I began working between half and full time when I was 15.5 years old.  Not because I had to, but because I was sick to death of not being able to take some responsibility for my own life.  From that point on, I never took more than 1.5 weeks off of work until last month (nearly a decade later) when I was transitioning from one job to another and moving across the country.  I loved my menial service jobs when I was a teen.  They gave me the opportunity to learn about the real world; to feel like to some degree I was supporting my own wants and needs.

I ask: How did your parents raise a child who didn't have the inherent urge to support and take responsibility for their own needs and wants?  How do so many parents today raise children who forever expect and demand that others maintain them?  I don't expect that you are in the latter category, but you are one small step away from it.  Healthy children want to work, they want to be useful.  Somehow we beat that out of them and create a society of driveless drones who consider working for a living to be a required chore instead of a matter of pride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonah:  I don&#8217;t disagree with your statement that &#8216;18-year-olds are young, inexperienced and still &#8220;kids&#8221;&#8216;.  I disagree with the society which makes them so.  I think that as a society we have a strong tendency to prevent children from learning any kind of responsibility until they are forced to as they leave college.  I don&#8217;t know why we do this, but we do.</p>
<p>By the time me or my siblings left home at ages 17-18 we were each capable of supporting ourselves.  We also each pursued further education which our families helped to fund, so I&#8217;m not saying that parents should not support their children.  I&#8217;m simply saying that we need not infantilize people and that I believe it to be perfectly reasonable to expect 18 year olds to be able to support themselves.</p>
<p>You say that at 18 you were &#8220;not ready to work [your] ass off at some job.&#8221;  I began working between half and full time when I was 15.5 years old.  Not because I had to, but because I was sick to death of not being able to take some responsibility for my own life.  From that point on, I never took more than 1.5 weeks off of work until last month (nearly a decade later) when I was transitioning from one job to another and moving across the country.  I loved my menial service jobs when I was a teen.  They gave me the opportunity to learn about the real world; to feel like to some degree I was supporting my own wants and needs.</p>
<p>I ask: How did your parents raise a child who didn&#8217;t have the inherent urge to support and take responsibility for their own needs and wants?  How do so many parents today raise children who forever expect and demand that others maintain them?  I don&#8217;t expect that you are in the latter category, but you are one small step away from it.  Healthy children want to work, they want to be useful.  Somehow we beat that out of them and create a society of driveless drones who consider working for a living to be a required chore instead of a matter of pride.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lostlogicx, she is a college drop out:

http://www.violentacres.com/archives/32/drastic-measures

And there is a reason they are called "college kids."  Society doesn't even allow 18-year-olds to legally drink. And when was the last time you saw some college girls?  They look so young!  Overhearing their conversations in Starbucks would give you a prime example of their perception of the world (and hurt your brain with the overuse of the word "like").  There are also studies that the brain is still developing into the early 20s... so yes, I believe 18-year-olds are young, inexperienced and still "kids", sorry you disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lostlogicx, she is a college drop out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.violentacres.com/archives/32/drastic-measures" rel="nofollow">http://www.violentacres.com/archives/32/drastic-measures</a></p>
<p>And there is a reason they are called &#8220;college kids.&#8221;  Society doesn&#8217;t even allow 18-year-olds to legally drink. And when was the last time you saw some college girls?  They look so young!  Overhearing their conversations in Starbucks would give you a prime example of their perception of the world (and hurt your brain with the overuse of the word &#8220;like&#8221;).  There are also studies that the brain is still developing into the early 20s&#8230; so yes, I believe 18-year-olds are young, inexperienced and still &#8220;kids&#8221;, sorry you disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiirani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiirani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few of you seemed to miss this, so just to make it clear. It was '6 of the current top 10 richest people in america' not '6 out of 10 rich people'. The latter figure is just ridiculous, the former believable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few of you seemed to miss this, so just to make it clear. It was &#8216;6 of the current top 10 richest people in america&#8217; not &#8216;6 out of 10 rich people&#8217;. The latter figure is just ridiculous, the former believable.</p>
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		<title>By: Reenster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reenster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The writing is shit and the posts are too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writing is shit and the posts are too long.</p>
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		<title>By: 26letteralphabet</title>
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		<dc:creator>26letteralphabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been saying that for years Joe, just thought I'd let you know, teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been saying that for years Joe, just thought I&#8217;d let you know, teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: docjoe999</title>
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		<dc:creator>docjoe999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one, V. I made the mistake of thinking that education was about learning. It really is about societal conditioning. 

I have learned 10X more on my own than I was taught. My biggest frustration was that so often we were taught not what was important but what the teacher knew or made him look good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one, V. I made the mistake of thinking that education was about learning. It really is about societal conditioning. </p>
<p>I have learned 10X more on my own than I was taught. My biggest frustration was that so often we were taught not what was important but what the teacher knew or made him look good.</p>
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		<title>By: 26letteralphabet</title>
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		<dc:creator>26letteralphabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did this guy actually just say? I understand V put herself through college, but after that could someone with better communication skills please translate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did this guy actually just say? I understand V put herself through college, but after that could someone with better communication skills please translate.</p>
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		<title>By: lostlogicx</title>
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		<dc:creator>lostlogicx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I recall correctly, V actually put herself through college.  Read then post, fuckhead.

As for 18 being "so quick to grow up" we as a society are continually infantilizing our adults by pushing the age at which we expect mature behavior from anyone upward.  At this point we don't really expect maturity from 21 year olds and you know what that lack of expectation means?  It means we don't get it either.

If you were just a kid at 18, you needed parents who actually taught you some life skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I recall correctly, V actually put herself through college.  Read then post, fuckhead.</p>
<p>As for 18 being &#8220;so quick to grow up&#8221; we as a society are continually infantilizing our adults by pushing the age at which we expect mature behavior from anyone upward.  At this point we don&#8217;t really expect maturity from 21 year olds and you know what that lack of expectation means?  It means we don&#8217;t get it either.</p>
<p>If you were just a kid at 18, you needed parents who actually taught you some life skills.</p>
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