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Ryan Holiday has it COMPLETELY wrong!
V’s real identity is….
(drumroll please)
Jodie Sweetin.
Remember sweet little Stephanie Tanner from “Full House”?
Yep, that’s her.
“How Rude!”
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0842332/
If V really is Jodie Sweetin, my lesbian fantasies are fulfilled. I mean, she’s pretty hot. Minus the whole crack fiend thing. And if she has V’s brains? Instant girl-boner.
What this all boils down to is that fans of VA will keep reading VA and Ryan Holiday’s granny will keep reading The Ryan Holiday Blog. This is merely a ripple in the blogosphere.
Well, I’d like to nominate Ryan Holiday for the Biggest Douche in the Universe Award . I’m sure the aliens will be coming for him very very soon. John Edward doesn’t stand a chance this time.
Not only is Ryan a douche, he is also wrong.
If V. really was Hollie Toner, that would mean that she would be born in ‘79 which would make her 28. No one is going to convince me that V is 28. She’s at least in her 30s.
BDITU mentions a particular incident involving tailgating and a cell phone when V was 19 “I wonder what it was like having a cell phone in 1988?”. So wait, she is born in 79 but is 19 is 88?
So assuming her age was correct, if she is, for example, 33 now, then the incident would have occurred in 93, at which point it is perfectly plausible that she could have had a cell phone, or at least a car phone.
But the fact is, V has said that she changes her age in some stories to conceal her identity. So if she was, for example 23, then its more than likely that she had a cell phone.
So you see, if you believe that her stories are true, like I do, and that she is over 30, like I do, then it’s pretty much safe to assume that Mr. Douche just trashed some random chick’s name for nothing. Poor Hollie.
Rock on, V.
I have to confess I’m a little creeped out.
He’s wrong, she’s really a “lady of the night”:
“I’m here to entertain you…Let’s have fun. Together.”
See!=)
But seriously, any rebuttal stating that she’s a hypocrite has already been effectively nullified by the fact that she’s admitted to being a hypocrite. That’s the thing about admitting to being a hypocrite, you can’t really be wrong.
Anyways, I hope he’s right about her identity, otherwise, someone just got a lot more attention.
(Another fun thing to do, post some random person’s number claiming its someone else’s.=))
I honestly do not care who V is. I don’t care if she is Hollie Toner, Jodie Sweetin, or Jesus Christ. I didn’t read Violent Acres to try to figure out who this person was, and that’s not why I’m done reading it.
This is why I’m done reading Violent Acres:
“For the official record, though, of course I write for the traffic. If I were ‘writing for myself,’ I’d type this shit up in microsoft word and put it under my pillow. I’m here to entertain you. If I wasn’t entertaining you, I’d likely stop writing…despite the fact that this site does turn a profit.”
That absolutely sickens me. Some of the things that V wrote about were very personal, tragic, and terrible. Very few people (me being one of them) would understand what it is like to go through some of the things that she wrote about. And now I found out that she wrote these things for a profit? What am I to think about that? Were any of them actually true? Did she embellish her stories to draw more people in? It is my belief that anyone who writes for traffic can’t be trusted to write honest content.
Furthermore:
“So, consider me your dancing monkey for the time being and have a little fun with this site already! That’s the whole point. The goal. The mission statement. Let’s have fun. Together.”
That’s really a shame. It really is. If I wanted to have fun with a site I would be over at fark.com reading fart jokes. I didn’t read Violent Acres to have fun. I read it because of it’s brutal honesty, it’s revealing look at taboo subjects, and because it was something I could identify with.
I think the people who are getting all hurt about V making up shit that she writes need a little reality check. If you’re hurt or feel victimized in any way by a blogger you don’t know and will never meet then maybe it’s time to step away from the computer and start engaging in real relationships.
Y’all are plain crazy if you ask me.
I agree with Alina, he gets the Biggest Douche in the Universe Award. It’s so petty that he has to go and do some dumbass stunt like that so he can sleep at night (most likely alone), and think he has won. But then again, V could go on some crazy homicidal rampage and kill thousands and i would still think she’s the coolest thing EVER. Just so long as her blog remains the best.
I posted a comment on one of Ryan’s blogs, and he didn’t allow it. Which I guess makes him less mature, if he can call V out for not allowing comments then impose censorship on his OWN comment form.
Also, to GreenLantern.. V has said several times before that she doesn’t write for the money. Of course you’re going to be fucking entertained, she’s not going to write anything that will bore you. Even though you say you read for the “brutal honesty” and “taboo subjects,” you cannot honestly say you’d read that if it was boring. Entertaining does not equal funny.
By “writing for the traffic,” I’m assuming she means “writing for the people who read the site” and not “writing to GET people to read.”
“That absolutely sickens me. Some of the things that V wrote about were very personal, tragic, and terrible. Very few people (me being one of them) would understand what it is like to go through some of the things that she wrote about. And now I found out that she wrote these things for a profit? What am I to think about that? Were any of them actually true? Did she embellish her stories to draw more people in? It is my belief that anyone who writes for traffic can’t be trusted to write honest content.”
You’re a moron, GreenLantern.
Anyone who claims that they’re writing for themselves is lying if it’s on a blog–it’s there so other people can see it. Whether that’s for ad profit, or therapeutic value, everyone who writes something you can read is writing it so you can read it.
Once that point is established, there’s still a whole range of reasons to write publicly. When I kept a blog I found that I wanted to write stuff that I didn’t want to say to my friends who I knew were reading, and realized that, if I was going to say those things to the Internet at large, I should nut up and say them to the people I actually know. It made me a more open and honest person.
I guess it is just the tech geek in me… but how does someone having V’s IP address (easy to mask/proxy/etc; you are idiot if you want to be anonymous and don’t) and traffic history suddenly produce a court document? I get that this is the internet, so unnamed sources and all the hubbub surrounding wild rumors are part and parcel, but jesus h fucker, there is no logical correlation between ip address and court document for some chick’s accident in a Chevy.
Anyway, anyone that can explain this mystic coming together of court document to ip address to identity, much appreciated.
I have finally cracked this identity problem! She is actually Xenu. To cover her identity she created a pseudonym L. Ron Hubbard, a fictional character in many sci-fi books, and wrote a cover story for herself as Hubbard, so people would think she doesn’t exist. Xenu tries to fill all of us with evil Germanic spirits, called Teutons. You will get these Teutons by reading her blog. I know this since I am now OT III (Operator Teuton) and this level is called The Wall Of Feedburner where all of this information is revealed. Anyways, in 1986 she had a final problem in her hands and she decided to get rid of this controversial fictional character and wrote the death of L. Ron Hubbard where she (Xenu as Hubbard) wrestles with King Arthur on a cliffside and both of them fall to their deaths. She started her career as a singer when she released an album called Parade as a hijacked personality of Prince. After playing a bit of basketball with her green hair and purple fur-coat, she realized her two last covers were too obvious and she finally took her nose-ring off, stopped calling herself Dennis and went back to writing. Now she pretends to be Violent Acres, but I know the truth. She actually is Xenu.
I posted a link on one of my blogs to her 1979 Chevy truck post, which created a ‘trackback’ in her WordPress blog. Someone with administrative privileges for the blog clicked the link without publishing it and I captured the IP. In other words, only 2 IP addresses are on record for visiting that site: mine, and theirs.
Via a process called ‘geotagging’ I was able to trace the IP to a town in Ohio. “Weird,” I thought, “I remember where a group of bloggers traced her to Ohio. Must be her.”
This single instance was hardly anything to go on, so I made another trackback a few days later. Same IP. Same ‘right-click, save to HD and read as to blend in with normal traffic’ routine. So I figure, OK, she’s from Ravenna, Ohio. I wonder what her name is..
So I do some creative Google searching and come out with a blog post bitching about trainwreaks.net drama. That particular website went offline and I couldn’t access it from the Wayback Machine, so I was a little lost. Until I viewed the history for the website in question: truthhurts.org.
Almost every story on VA stems from truthhurts.org. Both authors married young in West Virginia, both had issues with their Mother, and both speak fondly of their brother. The author of truthhurts hides her identity pretty well, so I dig into my box of webmaster tools and view the domain whois history for her site. Quite a few records, yet no names for the author. Only a few technical contacts, so there’s nothing to go - OH SNAP! What’s this? A technical contact in Kent, Ohio?!? Now, *that’s* a coincidence!
I’m afraid this comment won’t post correctly due to it’s length so part two will come later.
So I grabbed a calculator, did the math, and put 2 and 2 together. This technical contact, being in the same town and all, must know the author in some way. Or, perhaps, he may actually be the author himself.
So I Googled his name. Turns out, he runs a website called DevPals. I sign up, and look around. I notice Myroid is a active member (he also boasts a link from the VA blog - she also did voice work for one of his flash games) among a few other people that could end up as prime leads. DevPals is sort of a forum, and one of the posts implies that Myroid and the technical contact for the old truthhurts.org website know each other. I Google that a bit and find out that they’re old World of Warcraft clan buddies. OK, could be a coincidence. Lot’s of people play that game.
So I gather some of ‘ptoner’ aliases and Google around. A digg profile pops up. I click it, and notice that he not only votes for VA articles.. but, he.. SUBMITs them! OK, I think I’ve uncovered something here.. More Wayback Machine research uncovers that Pat Toner used to run a movie website that linked to truthhurts.org. Duh, he’s the technical contact, of course he would link to there, right? Then it hits me, Pat’s digg username was familiar.. Oh wait, he used to post on truthhurts! And he’s her HUSBAND!
So I think of a way to get in contact with Pat and his yet unidentified wife. A marriage license search revealed.. yes, Hollie Toner as his spouse! Hey, you guys remember Hollie Toner, right? I got her on the front page of Digg yesterday, remember?
Comment three coming up!
Actually shall I go on? Let me know.
Geotagging? That’s a technology known for its unquestionable reliability and utter infallibility to spoofing.
Frankly I don’t give two shits who VA is, I read her for the writing which is consistently some of the most entertaining I’ve found. Giving ‘pro’ bloggers who take themselves so desperately seriously the occasionally atomic wedgie it just gravy really. Cheer up ryan, maybe one day you’ll get a real job and learn to write big boy cursive.
Actually, shall I go on? Let me know.
Sure, Jeff. It’s entertaining. Go ahead.
I know that, Alex. I took a chance to get an idea of where the IP was located and, as it turns out, it lead me to the exact city she lives in.
You’d carry more weight if you weren’t full of insults and if you weren’t so set on a single person being behind this. David Letterman doesn’t write the jokes while running the cameras, does he? No, he’s the face.. the pawn that just reads what’s given to him.
If you must know, I’m from Nebraska and wouldn’t even consider living in LA.
So V, writes an anonymous blog, and one of her posts
details a traffic accident, which happened “yesterday”.
Don’t you think she might have fudged the details a little,…
“yesterday” was maybe “2 years ago”, “failure to yield”, could have been
“unsafe lane change” or “failure to use turn signals”.
Do you really think shes going to divulge the exact details that
any 2-bit P.I. with a friend at the DMV could do a record search on?
Not only is Ryan a TARD,.. he’s an egocentricTARD.
Next headline will read “Hollie Toner, anonymous housewife
from OHIO, sues Biggest Douche in the Universe for internet invasion
of privacy!” in 5,..4,..3,..2,…
OK, part three. It involves a AOL instant message between the author of the truthhurts website and I, where I ask her to view one of my blogs just to capture her IP.
She denies writing the blog, and actually tells me ViolentAcres is stealing her content. Now, if you reviewed truthhurts.org on the Wayback Machine, you’d see that both websites consist of the same material. Only, truthhurts leads us to a name.
She makes a pretty good case that she’s being plagiarized and even brings up the idea for some sort of lawsuit. I mention that I have no idea about a lawsuit and we sort of end the conversation.
Then I look at the logs. Remember before where I said I captured both the ViolentAcres author IP plus the author of truthhurts? Well, well what do you know They’re the SAME!
So for the very technical, or for people like ‘Alex’ above, who pretend to be technical, the story ends here. You should be convinced. For everyone else, I guess you’ll just have to keep asking someone to explain it for you.
In any event, we’re now up to the point in the story where she gets revealed. On Digg.com! Huzzah! Next comment.
In other words, Jeff just guessed.
By the way, Jeff, just because one is the ‘technical contact’ doesn’t actually mean the website belongs to them. Ever consider that it’s some dude building a website for a client? Ptoner could simply be someone with a really extensive portfolio.
Of course not. It wouldn’t be as dramatic and cool!
bustergonad: You sound like the type of person who should be camped out with a shotgun on his farmland waiting for aliens. Not the type to be posting comments here with us.
I’ll post the rest of the story tomorrow. I don’t maintain a blog so check for it in the comments of this site.
Celeste: Fair enough, you’re right - I guessed. Odd, though, that I never implied he owned the site based off that information. He was a lead, though, and he turned out to be the husband and fellow contributer to truthhurts.org.
If you were to actually review the site rather than defaulting me to some dart-throwing wanna-be private investigator you’d see for yourself. That might require work, though.
So basically, we’re taking your word for it.
Well, Jeff. I’m almost certain that you are wrong. Did you notice that Hollie chick is 28? Are you going to tell me you think V is 28? Regardless of what you think of the truthfulness of her stories, can you possibly believe she is ONLY 28? Let me refer you to this post , in particular the following sentences:
“I do not stress about my dumpy thighs. I don’t stare in the mirror for hours at my forehead wrinkles. I’m not afraid of short sleeved shirts that might inadvertently feature my arm fat.”
and especially, this one:
“Ignoring the fact that looking good when you’re 14 is an entirely different animal than looking good when you’re in your 30’s”
I repeat: “30s”
Jeffhoodmonkeymultiplepersonality
*golf clap*
So you’re claim to fame is going to be …I out smarted a blogger…
wow..Christ , for a second there I thought you might have found a cure for cancer…but you’re right this is even better!
I’m off to weep for humanity now.
lulz
Look at all these monkeys dancing. It’s wonderful when they respond.
“Jeff” somehow assumes this comment blog his own personal online “fiefdom”
But if you wish to pull rank,..my comments were actually amongst the first on this website last year.
and 2nd, somehow painting me as a conspiracy nut, while his posts
damn enter button…
while his posts are multithreaded conjecture each one based on his previous assumptions,…
blah blah blah,…type type type,…show us the hard evidence,…
Alina: truthhurts.org would put her at 33-4 years old. I kind of think it is her judging by the content and style of the other website. Doesn’t bother me though. V has done a terrific job blasting through the blogesphere with wit and aplomb and I applaud her for that. Looks to me like she could do it again in a heartbeat under some other name if she wanted.
But I kind of get the feeling that her blog Violent Acres was just a way of proving a point to herself. I’m not sure exactly what that point was and it may remain personal information.
Either way V, I’ve enjoyed reading your blog so far. Sometimes you’ve made me think about things in a way that I wouldn’t have ordinarily, you’ve woven a creepy ‘Flowers in the Attic’ type tale about your relationship with your mother that would make V.C. Andrews’ eyes gog and you’ve made me laugh out loud a lot. And I’ve been the butt of your jokes on occasion. :) You’ve made a mark, ultimately a positive one I think, on internet and blogging history. Good for you whoever you may be.
It sounds like assumptions based on assuming his previous assumptions are true. Lots of leaps of faith.
I see a couple of the piggish mommybloggers gloating…like they somehow won something. Anyone else secretly hoping for V to photoshop their kids having an ass orgy to really see what they’ll do? :)
Oh wow, Jeff — you definitely deserve a gold medal for this one. Outing who a blogger might be! And then going so far as to reveal that they once /failed to yield/.
Violent Acres may as well shut down now, nothing can help her recover from this mess.
Re: Me - The IF she is the person from truthhurts, and she IS 33,34 then she can’t possibly be that Hollie chick. Because as you can clearly see on that traffic infraction that BDITU was so kind to publish, Hollie is 28.
Not that it matters to me anyway because I still think she rocks. But the point remains.
Wow…
I first find it hilarious that whoever this RyanHoliday is, he’s obviously transposing his views of the world (that it revolves around him) onto V & therefore accusing her of thinking the world revolves around her (it doesn’t, it revolves around him!).
The biggest point that I don’t think most people here got was: V doesn’t give a shit. Period. She stirs the pot a bit because it’s entertaining to her, but she doesn’t really care what any of us think of her. Yes, she bloggs for the money (and the attention); who ever wrote a semi-autobiographical-novel & wasn’t thinking of the money (and the attention)? If I had her stories, skills, & patients, I’d do it for the money too.
If you choose to read V, or say you’ll never read her again, based on anything she’s said, because you thought she was speaking to you, or you thought you connected with her, or you thought it had anything to do with you at all, you’re an idiot. V is writing to make a few bucks entertaining us all: get over it or go back to watching the Lifetime channel, where they really are doing it for the love *cough* and not the money *cough cough.*
And I think Jeff may have a valid point: the wayback machine of truthhurts has VERY similar writing to VA. And having been reading VA for a while, I can say that her age of 28 seems totally valid to me. Considering the types of toys she mentions she and her brother had as kids, I totally trust those comments rather than ones where she implies she’s in her 30’s, since she says she’s trying to throw you off the tracks. Someone who’s 28 can just as easily identify with someone who’s 35 or 25.
Anyways, I can see now why V doesn’t allow comments…
Alina: The Hollie Toner court note thing looks like a red herring to me. I don’t really see how it ties in at all. Maybe she is a Hollie Turner, just not that one. Sometimes people get overexcited when they think they have uncovered something and post it up right away. In Ryan H’s case, a traffic accident lends an ironic justice to his story so he must have just pasted it up ASAP without really researching anything. Who knows?
I already told you guys who she is.
http://www.myroidtypecomics.com/vasucks.htm
Wait…I wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play!
How about this:
Myroid IS ACTUALLY V’s brother!!!!!
Ooh, ooh, ooh…and Dooce is actually the real mother of her stepkids!
Oh and the best one of all…Mister potatohead is NOT a potato at all!
I think Jeff’s analysis is pretty spot on.
So if she is Hollie Toner - what next? I guess the point is that she tried really hard to be anon and there were lots of people who wanted to know who she is and why she writes?
I bet this is her: http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/showthread.php?t=11840
I guess the point of the whole thing is this:
V doesn’t really give a shit about anything but her own amusement.
Simple as that. Tell me that each and every one of us (me included) isn’t like that at least a little bit?! Who cares whether she’s Hollie Toner, Jodie Sweetin, or Billy-fucking-Idol?? As long as you like her content, then it shouldn’t matter to you in the slightest. And if you don’t like her content? So what?! Newsflash genius: DON’T READ IT!!
All this debate is kindergarten-ish. And frankly, I don’t understand the point.
That’d be awesome if Billy Idol was talking about killing retards. I’d buy all his shit.
V-
some more fodder for your writings:
Dooce had a miscarriage and one of SK’s twins has some illness (other than just being serioulsy fugly)
Lawl. It’s like the baby killed itself to avoid having Dooce as a mommy.
I actually think that V does give a shit about what people think, why else would she be blogging? People blog for attention among other things, but attention is a prime motivator for most bloggers.
Didn’t V mention that the money she makes from her blog was going to some cause, but then she never followed up and told us what that cause or person was?
I only read her when there’s a controversy because I’m nosey like that. I took her off bloglines and come here instead and read the comments and if I’m interested, then maybe I’ll click onto her journal to take a look see. For the most part, I don’t find her interesting or feel the need to read what she’s writing.
I drove by her house today with a camera thinking I could have some fun and meet the imfamous Vee.
The bad news is the house is vacant. There is a ‘For Rent’ sign posted in the front yard.
The good news is it’s kinda a dump…….although it DID look like someone has been working on it recently. I looked in the windows and all I saw was some leftover vinyl siding and a few paint cans.
But, here it is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15429387@N06/1624580220/
This is the street sign, proof that I was there.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15429387@N06/1624580232/
Shot from across the street. Nice house, huh?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15429387@N06/1624580424/
When I finally realized it was vacant, I went and took another picture from the yard. I also took a few pictures of the inside, they just turned out like black smears.
Enjoy!
I also called the numbers on the ‘for rent’ sign. It’s some management company. I told them I wanted to buy the house and they took my number down. If anyone is interested, I’ll keep you all posted.
Brian, that’s genuinely stalkerish behaviour. I’m shocked people wonder why V posts anonymously.
Whoa…thats crossing a line…
Personally, I think it’s funny. Ryan Holiday and his lackeys tracked down a VACANT house. Ooooo, what awesome detective work. I’m sure V is really impressed.
HA, HA! You lose.
Hollie’s contact information was posted on Digg. full name, husbands, dob, height, weight, school, etc. Its her, there’s no doubt about it, too much matches. on truthhurts she said she went by who becuase she looked like Cindy Lu Who and here she is blond hair blue eyes petite. and I say go brian because she’s caused enough people problems in real life (and yes I know for a fact) and not just on-line. like somebody else said, let employers google her name and see the shit she throws at people
even if they just moved it will be easy enough to see where they go, public database of real estate sales online for portage county, their whole history is there. Its the internet silly ,you can run but you can’t hide!!
Jeff good work man, don’t let the haters get you down
Unless, of course, V’s real estate is funneled through a corporation. As far as I know, MOST real estate investors start corporations that ‘own’ the property, as opposed to them for liability reasons.
You’re all missing one crucial point here: Jeff says that he has an IP that matches, that geotags to Ohio, etc… how do you know he’s telling the truth?
The only way to demonstrate this factually is to actually give us the data so that we can verify it ourselves. Anything else is empty assertion.
And all this crap about truthhurts.org… the site is now a linkfarm.
Good point, Justin. For all we know, he could be some guy who has a grudge against some chick that slighted him at the bar once.
I take back all the bad things I’ve ever said about V. For good. And I’m pretty sure I know who she is, but I’ll never tell. I have a gut feeling that all the speculation is way off base. V is V. And, she is unquestionably badass. She definitely has captured the spirit of the times…
I wouldn’t put much into the IP. Mine resolves to Ohio, but I’m not in Ohio. (My ISP is based there.)
I don’t understand why every one is so concerned about who V is. She/he/they are fucking funny and usually right about how stupid people are. I can’t believe that people are actually wasting their time trying to track her down. If you are upset that V may be writing fiction, get over it. She didn’t do it to hurt you. It’s not about you. Pay a therapist so that it can be ALL about you. Write a blog of your own so that you can help people like yourself. OH JESUS CHRIST! I can’t believe I got all caught up in this shit! *goes out for a walk to clear head*
You all are just jealous. V is a hero and puts people into their place! She is funny and she is correct. She totally has her finger on the pulse of the Interwebs.
Is V starting to run out of shit to write about?
Perhaps she should get herself that thing you make when you have unprotected sex…a kid, i believe.
And, revolutionize mommyblogging.
I do agree that RyanHoliday is trying to sound profound, but sounds pseudo-philosophical instead. Personally, I would have went with raw, unadulterated, I-want-to-crucify-someone rage.
At the risk of digressing I would have to say: Man, the Romans were great! Crucifixion, who would have come up with that?
Anyway, RyanHoliday wrote 2 paragraphs of irrelevant shites. Why bother? Is this something personal? Is this even V?
I’m a touch confused as to how the IP could lead you to the exact city she lives in when you don’t know what city she lives in. That seems a touch circular to me. Between NAT and intra-ISP routing infrastructure even vaguely reliable geo information like border router names are of limited value in tracking an end user and that’s before deliberate attempts to obfuscate sources. If you tracked back mine at the moment you’d think I’m in London, I’m currently in Berlin. In the scheme of things however, it doesn’t really matter that much, maybe it is V, maybe it isn’t, who really give two shits? V called Ryan on his shit, he responded by whining like a bitch, got bodyslammed for it and comes back with this. He may as well have just admitted she’s right. Fascinating insight into the scummy little world of this tucker max bloke all this, it’s like a small angry ant-heap of mediocre with the kind of shiny plastic sheen only LA can truly produce.
I decided to track down this person who blogs under pseudonym Frogthroat and has this blog, Frogs in the Throat. My first thing was to take my internet tools, so I opened Firefox and typed in frogthroat.blogspot.com. I then managed to find a single name: Sami Rautiainen. Hm… sounds too easy. I dug deeper and found from the profile that he’s Finnish, but lives in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. His bio says he was born in 1979, so that would make him 28 years young. I then took turns and found from City Hall of Amsterdam an archive of his registration and found an adress which is in Amsterdam. I thought to myself, “hey, this fits”. I went to that address and used my key to get in and found out where he lives. It’s actually near Sloterpark in west Amsterdam. From an old telephone bill I took from the house I found out a phone number. +31 628xxxxxxx - So that’s Dutch mobile number for Orange. I tried to call that number several times from my mobile phone, but it was every time busy. This guy must spend so much time on the phone. Another thing I took from his house was his payslip. I know now where he works. I visited his work and it’s a normal office in an IT-company. I talked with his co-workers, but still the man is yet to be found. His co-workers say he’s quite odd person. Always smiling, though. But nevertheless a bit weird and eccentric. But I disagree; he’s not eccentric, he’s crazy. Difference between crazy and eccentric is the money on your bank account. His payslip reveals that he’s not that rich, so he must be crazy instead. His friends tell me that he has hidden messages and codes in everything he writes, says or paints, but I haven’t found any in his postings. I have managed to track down all the normal bars where he likes to go, talked with his friends, visited his house and work so I think I have a grasp of what kind of person he is, but alas, still haven’t managed to see him. Slippery guy. His friends claim to see him daily but I can’t find the guy. As if he just left when I enter. And I just found out that he has written a blog response for my efforts to reveal his identity:
http://frogthroat.blogspot.com/2007/10/revealing-anonymity.html
Seriously, does anyone think this is an appropriate response to have some resentful pissant of a tantrum-throwing blogger disseminate the name and address - without anything but the word and very inadequate proof of someone else who clearly has some personal axe to grind that they ARE the name and address of the person in question - some other blogger no matter how irritating she is because she poked fun at him? Seriously? It borders on criminal incitement for which Ryan - Jeff and Brian too - can be held responsible if some creepy obsessive psycho out there decides to ‘get even’ on behalf of all this woman’s ‘victims’ and attacks her or her home. And maybe it didn’t occur to them that it would be equally easy for one of VA’s more psychotic fans to find Ryan Holiday’s or Jeff or Brian’s addresses and pay THEM a visit.
I think the mentality is that if you are a bully, be prepared to be bullied back at some point. Or if you are a self proclaimed, loud mouth expert on all things annoying or trivial or stupid and you pick on specific people or their children, know that some of those people will be in the background watching and waiting to strike back at some point.
Was it fair that V took the photographs of mommyblogger’s children and photoshopped them and made fun of them to prove to the mommybloggers how dangerous it is to freely post your children’s picture? Her point being that it’s sinful and sick to profit from your children all the while SHE got to profit from those mother’s children by doing the same thing she told them that they must not do. She wasn’t concerned about the children, she was pissed those women managed to do something she hadn’t done up to that point–which was be successful writing about someone else. She needed to get in on the action and so she chose to attack them. Her fan base was created by her doing what she told other people not to do and she never apologized or felt bad about it. Some people, especially mothers, won’t ever forget something like that.
You get back what you give in life. Simple as that.
The internet is serious business!!! Let’s stalk people (who may be innocent) over it. Makes sense to me! Yay drama!
“You get back what you give in life. Simple as that.”
Then make the punishment fit the crime, according to some there are pics of VA available on the web, photoshop some of hers or GROW UP and refuse to rise to stupid bitchy baiting, it’s not highschool. Tell me how do you equate poking fun at superficial, self-absorbed people - yes the photoshopped kid pics were in bad taste but frankly it’s poor judgement to put your kid’s pics on a PUBLIC website anyway pedophiles take those pics and photoshop them in ways that make V’s shots look positively tasteful - to actively encouraging others to track down, stalk and possibly attack a person or her home?
For now, I’m on V’s side and I’m glad she’s not whining about being “stalked” because I think she knows she’s invited this by aggressively attacking anyone she chose. If she starts taking the Jada route of complaining about how violated she feels (while she actively updates her own probably self-created parody blog with new post announcements and private information encouraging people to mock and stalk her) then I’m gone.
What is going on in the blogosphere? Bloggers writing anti-blogs about themselves, bloggers screenshot saving IP reports, bloggers posting photos of other people’s (or their own) children, people looking up court records?
To quote Meredith Grey: “Seriously?”
When did people start taking blogs so damn seriously? What has to happen for this (really) fucked up trend to fade away? Does someone have to be physically attacked? Someone’s child be abducted? Are people going to contribute to this until someone literally dies? Getting fired from your job for blogging wasn’t enough. Now people are upping the ante and TRYING to get themselves hurt in some way so they can blog about it. Jeebus.
People who are stalking V need to find themselves a better hobby. “BOO HOO SHE MADE FUN OF ME ON THE INTERNET, I AM GOING TO TAKE PICTURES OF HER HOUSE.”
Seriously, this is your rebuttal?
I’ve followed the trail others have put down (old websites, links, pictures, etc.), and it seems to make sense to me. Especially the house for Rent, since V was just blogging how she’d soon be moving out of the house she was fixing up with the intent of renting it out & she’s mentioned she has multiple rental properties.
I’m debating IM-ing the person thought to be V; do I care if she’s really V? What would I get out of it, the chance to write about it here? (To be honest, I want to IM her & have her be V & somehow be bestest of friends with her & lament about life together, but I really doubt that’d happen cuz I’m not as cool as she is.)
I do feel bad for V that people decided it’d be fun to stalk her in “real life”, and if for some reason this Hollie person isn’t really V, do I feel bad for Hollie.
I’m still not sure what V did to actually hurt anyone; she made fun of some people? Unless she really has stolen someone else’s content (which I doubt) I can’t think of anything to begrudge her for. A lot of people need to just grow the fuck up & get over it.
Anyways, I’m still looking forward to her next post, whatever it’s about.
While watching this entire set of circumstances from the outside, the posturing, name-calling (wasn’t V supposed to be a man in his previous post?), the entire war, one question runs around in my head…
Who CARES who V really is? Or for that matter, who ANY of these bloggers really are?
What is the burning desire to ferret out these people’s real lives as if it scores you the last point? “Ah ha, I have discovered your true name, Rumpelstilskin, you are destroyed!”
The internet is not a fairy tale, and unless you’re paying people money for their posts, what in the end does it matter? If V is an entire work of fiction, that doesn’t change the fact that I enjoy reading the site. And whether V’s real name is Hollie, Hanson or Harold, who gives a shit.
Ah-hahahahahahaha! This is some of the funniest stuff I have seen in a long time! > I’m with Cel on this one. Who really cares who V is? Are you gonna get a Bozo button or a Cap’n Howdy whistle for your trouble? I enjoy reading the site. Some of it I agree with, some of it I disagree with. So what? Entertainment, kiddies. That’s what it’s all about.
Here’s something to think about.
Somebody bothered to go through incredible efforts to find V’s identity, many people have. Somebody claims success but they still haven’t proved it. Doesn’t this just testify to V’s importance as a writer? People are willing to stalk her to such an extent? Would anybody go to such lengths to track down Ryan Holliday were his blog anonymous? No, and Ryan’s best argument against V has been “I know who you are”. Who gives a shit? Ryan still can’t criticize V’s writing style, he has to make personal attacks.
“Somebody bothered to go through incredible efforts to find V’s identity, many people have. Somebody claims success but they still haven’t proved it. Doesn’t this just testify to V’s importance as a writer? People are willing to stalk her to such an extent? ”
Have you read the Original Jada anti-blog? People stalked her, too, and I think we can all agree that Jada is not a great writer. Bloggers like Jada and Ryan and Tucker, who put out hate and who have psychological issues, usually attract readers of the same ilk which is why they end up being stalked. Jeff is a Tucker/Ryan minion serving his master. Mysoginistic and sociopathic writers (like Tucker) don’t attract healthy or emotionally stable readers. Just sayin’.
I have a confession to make. My real name is not “wolf!”
I agree with weez. Who the hell cares who V is? I read her blog for entertainment. Hell, I don’t even care if her stories are true or not. They are fun to read, and they resonate with me, because I’ve had similar thoughts. All I want to do is be entertained. I don’t care if it’s Hollie, Jollie, or Mollie doing the posting. Keep up the good work and the funny stories, and I’ll be a loyal reader.
Do people really care about the truth, or do they think the somehow win through one-up-manship?
Beside, I thought “outing” people was decided to be quite retarded back in the day where folks thought it would be cool to force gays out of the closet. Here’s a tip for you folks who think “outing” someone matters:
NO ONE CARES!
“People stalked her, too, and I think we can all agree that Jada is not a great writer.”
Greatness and importance are not the same thing, though I would argue the quality of comparing the lot of those and V.
its just simply amazing how people can get loads of traffic. They just write up a story about VA, who she is, make some “evidence” that would make some average idiot reader press “Digg”.. voila! Now he got his traffic. Next?
For anyone who wants to contact VA wouldn’t they just contact the owner of this site.
And she’s sucking up to Dooce now at heavennose.blogspot.com
You can look for her posts of Dooce as Mother Theresa or whoever the fuck.
And then there’s that photo of her, VA supposedly, sitting topless on top of some schloob. If that’s her, she’s uglier and greasier than I’d previously imagined.
VA is a nobody. She doesn’t believe half the shit she writes, she just does it to stir up controversy and make money from it. It’s the internet way. Say shit to get traffic, cash the check from the ads. She’s just like Dooce except she only makes fun of other people’s innocent children.
It all comes back in the end. She’d be a much better writer if she actually had a little integrity.
Either way, fucking loser.